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I know that Mike says that the consolidated is for those who are advancedor bad recovery,but I was thinking that it would also be good for someone that is just starting out. Why,I think becuase the intensity is low,and is good for teaching the basics,and building a good foundation.Then go to the ideal after they′ve been at it for awhile,then bringing them back around full swing to the consolidated,when they near there genetic peak.Any other thoughts on that.

Frank I thought the same thing but after reading Heavy Duty 2 and coming to this forum more, I realized that Mike gave us the Ideal routine at the beginning for a few reasons. One is, it is more work in which gives us the baseline program to start out at, so once the gains start to slow down or stop, then we can start cutting some things out in order to keep gaining. Two is that the exercises in the Ideal routine will help people learn their body and also how to do exercises properly. The misconception that I think you are experiencing is the consolidated routine is low intensity for the reason that it is less exercises. At the point of switching to the advanced (consolidation) routine, is the point that you want your intensity to increase the most, for the fact that you have to start cutting back volume and frequency. I made the mistake (IMO) of starting with a consolidated style program, instead of the Ideal routine. Beginners should start with the Ideal Routine since that is what Mike suggested. Good luck.
jim

Hola, FRANKROBLES

In the MM underground seminar he recomends using the consolidation routine. He doesnt even mention the ideal routine. I belive that the ideal routine leads very quickly to overtraining. The MM undergroung seminar is a great buy. If your a fan of mike I recomend you get it. Really good info in there.

Hola,HD_Latino I have that tape,and I′m fan of Mike and agree with him. The only thing that has me thinking is,Mike always says if muscle is to grow it must hit failure. Well in the consolidated there are some muscles that will not go failure. I did ask Mike himself that ? and he responded by telling me not to worry. I also ask him why does he still advocate his ideal routine,he said becuase some people are not ready to listen to the consolidated.

HDFrank,

I personally DON′T believe in starting with the consolidated, because of the very fact you stated. Some muscles will not fail. That doesn′t sound like Mike to just say "Don′t worry". He ALWAYS had a logical reason for anything he said. Did he give you furthur explanation as why not to worry?

I would only start someone on the consolidated if the ideal (or similar) fails, or the person has been training for a long time and is closer to their genetic potential.

That′s very interesting that he told you those things. When did he tell you and in what manner? It may aid in analyzing what his TRUE perspective was.

Thanks.

Darrell