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I′m just curious if any of you use drugs or stimulants like Mike Mentzer did to keep your workouts and daily life productive?

have you noticed any side effects from long term use of these drugs? do you only take them on training days?

I use legal stuff, like Hot Rox or that speed stack drink before I work out…No illiegal stuff though. I only use it pre-workout, and no side effects yet. I use them EOD 3x a week, and in the smallest dose IE 2 pills or 1 drink.

In 1998, I′ve used Ephedra (Ephedrine) for quite some time. At that time, it wasn′t illegal, at least not in my country (the Netherlands).

In the beginning, the results were great: I had more energy during a workout and could use more weight in all exercises. I felt I was invincible!

However, the side-effects were very nasty: my heart-beat was constantly up, I couldn′t fall asleep properly and after a while I felt really stressed. I also had to drink a lot of water, because I was constantly thirsty.

I hope I didn′t do any permanent damage to my long-term health, but I swear I′ll NEVER EVER use it again!

My advise: stay off drugs and stimulants!

…Another by-effect was that I got addicted to the stuff: after some time I couldn′t even train without it.

I was on Adderall (an amphetamine) until July 27, 2004.

I was diagnosed ADD, depression and "body dysmorphic disorder." They diagnosed me with ADD because my mind was too involved with itself for me to focus on academics in the manner I needed. You all will love the next one. I was diagnosed with depression and body dysmorphic disorder literally because I told them that the most important thing in life at the time was for me to get bigger. I told them I was too small and that my number one priority was to get bigger because the confidence I would get in return would benefit me in all aspects of life. I was, in fact, right. I could already tell the way I would feel with even 20 more pounds of muscle and it helped me even more than I thought it would. They said I was not too small, but, you must understand "too" is a subjective opinion and I could measure myself at 6′0" 130 pounds which, combined with statistics and assuming that image alone is not enough, was absolute proof that I was underweight. So what do they do? They call me crazy and put me on speed (Adderall)! Thanks, this will make me even skinnier which will keep me depressed in your eyes which will keep me needing drugs! It helped my academic work ethic, but honestly from what it did to my mind I became even more obsessed with getting bigger.

I looked like a twig until I came across an ad for HITTMMW in Ironman, which is when things drastically changed. I went to Barnes and Noble then completely transformed. I′m still changing quickly and I′ve been utilizing HIT and Heavy Duty since August 2003. All but a few months were right down to Mike′s word. My friend′s sister just saw me Saturday after not seeing me since jut this May or June. She didn′t recognize me. I walked to his front door, grabbed my keys from him and left. He told me that night that when I was walking back to my car she said "who was that?" and since I looked so "different" and much more built she thought she had never seen that person before. She didn′t know me or recognize even who I was but used to know me well (I′ve been his best friend for years). She repeatedly emphasized how "different" I looked. THIS IS AFTER 3 YEARS OF HIT/HD, SO I WITHOUT A DOUBT BELIEVE IN CYCLIC SIZE GAINS. When I see volume trainers going for a pump everyday not get bigger in years then this happens to my previously twig ass it makes me a true believer in what Mike came up with. I look like I naturally have a well-proportioned, muscular physique now, like I was never an ectomorph.

Sorry for getting off track, but first off understand that I would not recommend it at all. I feel adderall (an amphetamine) hindered me greatly from building muscle, but remember, I didn′t start with any muscle. On the other hand, I feel that for someone who has muscle it would prevent fat from forming and help them with cutting down. However, it would be hard on the heart and a risk to your life. I quit Addrall cold turkey then my size skyrocketed while I kept my abs and visible intercostals. The best thing I ever did for my bodybuilding was quit that shit. The worst thing I ever did for my bodybuilding was start that shit. HIT was so effective, however, that even when I took Adderall my strength gains shot at an unbelievable rate. Again, when I quit was when the size really packed on.